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Blether with Brown - 21 February 2008
Football News:  Touchline

FROM DUNDEE HALF-HOLIDAY LEAGUE TO SHARING DIGS WITH JOHN MOTSON

The article featuring BI LL HAMILTON on January 18 prompted a response from Dundee’s best-known referee BOB VALENTINE.

“Over 50 years ago, I actually attended referee tuition classes with Bill and, after completing a 12-week course, we both sat the SFA Referee entrance exam,” said Bob, who is now chairman of the Scottish referees and a UEFA Referee Inspector.

“We were tutored by the legendary JOHN R. P. GORDON, from Newport-on-Tay.

“John was cashier with James Keillers in Albert Square and was well known for his walks down Reform Street, allegedly to visit the bank, but where he would stop and speak to every second person, usually giving them a small handful of butterscotch sweets taken from the bank bag.

“Bill, who had started life in Glenprosen Terrace, lived with his parents at the top of Mains Loan by the time he took up refereeing at the tender age of 14.

“He and I started our careers as men in the middle in the old Dundee Half-Holiday League — a tough baptism for young referees with only a 7s 6d fee (around 38p) at the end of it.

“The matches, many played at Fairmuir Park, would attract crowds of several hundred. This was especially true when the Police side were involved. The Police had STEWART DIXON, later doorman at Dens Park, and another was BARNEY SHERMAN, who played on well past his sell-by date.

“Other noteworthy teams included Tramways, Kenilworth (railway workers), Central (shopworkers) and Juventus (mainly Italian ice cream and chip shop owners). The League was full of characters.

“The match mentioned in BwB — with Peter Lorimer playing — was a semi-final tie in the Scottish Schools Cup.

“Played at Glenesk Park, it pitted Dundee against the cup favourites Edinburgh.

“This was a big match for 15 year-old Bill and it was decided that he should have two experienced linesmen. One of them was First Division referee BOB HENDERSON, who, at that time, was in the Dundee City Police, but later worked in Timex before emigrating to Australia to join his goalkeeping brother SANDY, a regular contributor to BwB.

“The match at Glenesk did not go according to plan for Edinburgh — they were beaten 7-3 with five of the goals coming from the said Peter Lorimer.”

Bob, who was a work colleague of mine before retiring and (still) a good friend, continued, “Bill was a very keen referee, but, after leaving Dundee High School, he was always juggling refereeing with his burgeoning broadcasting work.

“Eventually he left Dundee to work for the BBC in England. It was there that he joined up with another young broadcaster to flat-share — a certain JOHN MOTSON!

“It was to prove an enduring friendship, for it was John who arranged the recent dinner in St Albans, where Bill now lives, to celebrate his half-century as a referee.

“During the evening, DAVID ELLERAY, the recently-retired top English referee, who is a housemaster at Eton and also vice-chairman of the FA’s Referee Committee, made the presentation of an FA gold medal to mark his achievement.

“Bill, as he approaches his 65th birthday, is still refereeing every week in one of the FA contributory leagues in Hertfordshire.”

Bob, who lists legendary bald Italian whistler Pierluigi Collina as a good friend, concluded, “As a young referee, Bill was always full of enthusiasm and boundless energy.

“It is clear that hasn’t changed for, in Hertfordshire refereeing circles, he is known as the “Mad Scotsman”.

Bob is quite a globetrotter these days and his latest UEFA assignment was this week’s AS Roma v. Real Madrid Champions League encounter.

COLIN STEWART, a work colleague, also responded quickly to Bill’s piece.

“When I knew Willie (as he called him), he stayed in the Mains Loan area,” he offered.

“We were both members of the 4th BB, which was based in St Mark’s Church in the Perth Road.

“I can remember him, when he was training to be a reporter, sitting at the back of the church writing down the sermon in shorthand, such was his dedication to do well.

“As for his refereeing, he was, at the time, I believe, the youngest-ever to qualify as a referee.

“In fact, he was too young to take charge of official matches, but did referee initially at some select and friendly games. Indeed, he also refereed our magnetic football games.

“Doug Spence was correct when he said he attended Dundee High School. His father Hamish was an officer with the RNR.”

The story regarding the Dundee Half-Holiday League brought back memories for former player ANDY MORRIS.

“I enjoyed reading about ANDY CHRISTIE’S time in the Dundee Half-Holiday League (BwB, January 23),” said Andy, of Menzieshill, Dundee.

“I played for Dundee Postal (Posties) 58 years ago in that league. Two other teams I can remember are Dundee Police and Meadowside.

“The Meadowside team was made up of staff from D. C. Thomson and the manager’s name was Alex Watson, who I knew quite well.”

HOW DID HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN GET THEIR NAME?

Lochee’s CHARLIE WALKER wants to know how Heart of Midlothian came about their name.

Hearts, founded in 1874, were reputedly named after a popular local dance hall, which, in turn, took its name from the novel The Heart of Midlothian by Sir Walter Scott.

In their early years, the Jambos played in various Edinburgh locations such as The Meadows, Powburn and Powderhall before moving to the Gorgie area in 1881.

They moved to their current Tynecastle site in 1886.

The earliest mention of Heart of Midlothian in a sporting context is in a newspaper report.

The Scotsman newspaper from July 20, 1864, tells of The Scotsman playing Heart of Mid-Lothian at cricket.

It is not known for sure if this was the same club who went on to form the football club.

However, it was common for football clubs in those days to play other sports as well.

For example, Clyde played cricket, while Vale of Leven put out a shinty team.

LISBON LIONS ALL BORN WITHIN 30-MILE RADIUS

BOB SHEPHERD, of Dundee’s west end, asks me to settle an argument.

“My mate says he heard on TalkSPORT that all of Celtic’s Lisbon Lions team were born in Glasgow,” he said.

“I don’t think this is true as I’m sure Billy McNeill was born in Dundee.”

The Lisbon Lions were not all born in Glasgow, but were all within a 30-mile radius of Celtic Park.

Coincidentally, I’m currently reading Bobby Lennox’s new book — “Thirty Miles From Paradise” — and he was born in Saltcoats in Ayrshire.

Billy McNeill was born in Bellshill, but I remember him mentioning at a Press conference after a match at Dens Park that his mother was originally from Dundee.

PAPER PLAYERS AT DENS

Dundee fan BRUCE RALSTON, of Broughty Ferry, said he wished Craig Tully still played for the Dark Blues.

“Then we’d have a Tully and a Curier in our team!” he quipped.

REPLACED MAN WHO BOUGHT BRECHIN’S LIGHTS

KIRKIE JACK (kirky1960@famail.net), a Dundonian now living in Glasgow, commented on several fronts, starting with the CHARLIE ADAM piece on January 4.

“It was good to read about Charlie and his boys,” said Kirkie, who played alongside me with Bank Street Athletic.

“John Weir was another very good player from Fintry who played for several senior clubs such as Brechin, Montrose, Forfar and St Johnstone.

“Having played either with or against these two, Charlie had more skill, while John was a workhorse.”

Kirkie also fondly remembered his time as a member of the St Bruno’s Roughcuts team, who played on a Sunday in Dundee.

“I remember my first game for the Roughcuts and I was handed Willie Lawson’s strip (Billy was featured in last week’s Downfield photo).

“Did his transfer to Sheffield Wednesday from Brechin City not help to pay for the Glebe Park floodlights?

“The Roughcuts team also boasted the Taylor brothers Bobby and Iain, the Piggot brothers Billy and Michael, Dave ‘The Flying Pig’ Tosney, Jimmy ‘Hard Tackler’ Gardner, Danny Ross, Danny Hannan, Grant McLean and many others.”

Kirkie also highlighted his time with Tayport Amateurs when they reached the semi-finals of the Scottish Cup in 1986.

He continued, “It was a great achievement at the time to be the first Tayside side to reach that stage of the competition since NCR in the 1960s.

“We beat fellow-Dundee teams Lawside FP and Riverside Athletic on the way — Lawside after two replays. We were eventually beaten 3-1 by Barr & Stroud with goals from McGraw, Munro and McSheffrey. I also remember Ian Durrant’s brother playing for B&S.

“Coincidentally, I am now very friendly with Danny McSheffrey.”

CHARLIE ADAM also responded to his January 4 story and apologised for not mentioning other great players who came from Fintry and went on to senior clubs.

However, that particular story was about Fintry laddies signing for Rangers, but I’m more than happy to mention the other guys from the Dundee housing scheme to step up.

Charlie revealed, “John Cord signed for Dundee, as did Jimmy Leonard.

“Stephen Glass played for Aberdeen, Newcastle, Watford and Hibs, and is now at Dunfermline, then there’s Garry Kenneth, who is currently at Dundee United.

“My good friend John Reilly was with Dundee United in their glory years and he also played for Motherwell.

“Others are Alec Rice and Jackie Thomson, who both played for Raith Rovers.

“And not forgetting John Weir, who, I think, played for all four Angus senior clubs — as I did.

“It will be interesting to see if there are any more replies on this subject.”

LETHAM LADS WHO HAVE TURNED SENIOR

During a chinwag with KEN DRUMMOND, el supremo of all things regarding Perth’s Letham FC, my colleague JAMES MASSON and Ken started counting the players who went senior after a spell at Letham.

They came up with Jake Findlay (Aston Villa, Swindon), Billy Bennett (Dunfermline, Forfar), Bill McManus, Pat Joyce, Billy Beatson, Sandy McRorie, Derek Brown, Ross Jenkins (St Johnstone), Grant Jenkins (Dunfermline, St Johnstone), Kenny Marshall, Ally Campbell (Dundee United), John Binnie (Hibs, Brechin), Iain Nicolson (Montrose), Derek Rylance (Arbroath) and Stan Lewry (Shrewsbury).

Ken reckons many more went senior and perhaps BwB readers can recall any others who graced top level after a spell with Letham.

In recalling the Jenkins brothers, Ken also added, "Their mum was also a great fund-raiser for the club."

Letham FC are still going strong.

They are presently putting out 17 teams, they organise a Soccer School and, in conjunction with Perth and Kinross Leisure, hold coaching for primary one and two pupils.

SCOTTISH REFEREES HEAD FOR THE SUN

A couple of Scottish football referees contacted me in the past couple of weeks, just to chat about this and that — as they often do.

During the course of the conversations, it emerged that, on Sunday, most Grade One officials in Scotland are heading for the Marbella area of Spain for a warm-weather break.

It also emerged that the annual whistlers’ get-together at St Andrews will not go ahead this year — but new initiatives are in the pipeline.

One of the officials was at pains to tell me that the trip abroad wouldn’t cost any more than the convention at the Home Of Golf, and that, indeed, savings would be made.

Another man-in-the-middle, though — not Grade One — bemoaned, “We don’t seem to be getting anything like that this season.

“At least, the St Andrews weekend gave you the chance to mingle with the top referees, and there were always top-name guests invited, too.”

DOWNFIELD GOALIE WAS BILLY MANN

The “Unknown” goalkeeper in last week’s Downfield Juniors photo was identifield as BILLY MANN.

Some who put their name to their responses were IAN LINDSAY, my former team-mate JIMMY ABERDEIN and Longforgan’s JIM HARRIS.

MARTIN SMALL (Hilltown, Dundee) also came up with the name, as did Monifieth’s JOE BANNON and MIKE GALLACHER.

Mike also commented, “Did we really walk the streets of Dundee unmolested with those hairstyles?”

Top photo — TAYPORT AFC from 1986. Back row (from left) — R. Downie (manager), D. Blair, K. Jack, A. Charity, D. Paterson, A. Gray, M. Smith. Front row — A. Paterson, J. Fernie, G. Cox, B. Burnett, J. Bissett, J. Walsh, N. Downie. Bottom photo — Letham “El Supremo” KEN DRUMMOND.


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