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Letters - 08 February 2008
Daughter (15) drinking in nightclubs
When are the police in Dundee going to stop underage drinking in nightclubs?

My 15-year-old daughter was supposed to be on a sleepover at her friend’s house. I later found out she was, in fact, at a nightclub.

A friend told me to look at a website where she was seen dancing away.

I have since found out she and her friends have also been going to another city venue.

But what makes matters worse is that she and her friends have little trouble buying alcohol at these clubs.

So I suggest the police start doing a spot check. — Dundee Dad.

Safety barrier

Barriers erected in Crescent Street.

How dare the driver who parks in Crescent Street, Dundee, think he is doing nothing wrong. There was a barrier erected in the street many years ago to stop traffic going down, but now it’s used as a car park.

The barrier was to make the road safer for children using the play park. Does he ever see any kids in it? No, because parents are afraid to let kids use it due to the volume of cars. — Play Safe, Crescent Lane, Dundee.

Parking on pavements
Can the Tele please tell me the law regarding vehicles parked on pavements? Where I live, due to lack of off road parking, many vehicles are forced on the street.

Some block the pavement, forcing pedestrians on to the road.

I recently witnessed a woman, walking with her dog, forced to leave the pavement in order to negotiate a large Transit van.

The vehicle was parked on a bend obscuring her view and she narrowly avoided being struck by a car. If vehicles are allowed to park on the pavement, shouldn’t they at least be made to leave space for pedestrians? — Puzzled.

[In answer to a previous letter on this subject, a spokesman for Tayside Police said, “We deal with inconsiderate parking according to the particular set of circumstances relating to each individual incident. Above all, we would urge motorists to always be considerate of other drivers and pedestrians when parking.

“With the year-on-year increase in car ownership, parking in certain streets, particularly around football grounds, is a growing problem.

“Where anyone has any concerns or complaints I would ask them to bring it to the attention of the police.”]

Perfectly within my rights
An aggressive driver shouted at me as I crossed the road, and then got out of his car, followed me into a shop, and threatened me.

I pointed out to him a flashing amber light means a driver may only go if there are no pedestrians crossing.

Since the “green man” was lit up, and remained so for several seconds after I had crossed, I was perfectly within my rights.

I really do wish a policeman had been there.

I also drive but am mindful of people trying to cross the road.

I do regret that I shouted back at him, but this driver had no business shouting at me in the first place. — Dundee Reader.

Breaking code
It is commonplace for drivers to stop and flash others to move on, even if they have the right of way and the other car is not obstructing them.

These drivers might think they are being big-hearted, but this is breaking the Highway Code.

When this happens to me, I just sit tight and wave them on.

I used to think such drivers had not passed a test until I saw a learner in a driving school car respond to this.

It is also irritating to be beckoned on by school crossing patrol attendants who do not see obstructions behind them. — Driver.

Land query
I reply to your reader’s query about the land between The Friary and the Benvie Road steps in Dundee.

It was originally Balgay Farm, which had the stone building on it.

Later the land was used by Lawrence Pre-Cast Concrete Company, later taken over by Stewart Plant Hire.

Where the building is now was once occupied by two large advertising boards. —A. Hughes, Dundee.

Jail time too easy
I read with disgust about prison inmates being paid £thousand in compensation for slopping out, apparently this being abuse of human rights.

Have we all gone mad? One inmate used the money to marry his partner, so taxpayers paid for the rings, reception and register office.

These bad guys are in jail for a reason. I think they get it too easy in jail. Most will reoffend and why not, since jail seems an easier place to be.

We all suffer high Council Tax and power prices are rocketing, leaving people genuinely suffering on the outside, struggling to make ends meet.

I am sick to death of political correctness and the extremes of human rights. It all has a place, but it has gone too far. — Ticked Off.

Student flats
Can anyone tell me what has happened to the University of Abertay’s plans for building student accommodation next to Dudhope Park, at the foot of Lochee Road?

As far as I knew they were scheduled to begin in the New Year. — Curious.

Selling alcohol
I reply to the Golden Oldies regarding selling alcohol confiscated from underage drinkers at auction.

I believe this is unworkable, since the police would have to store and keep the drink.

This would not be allowed for health and safety reasons. — Hygiene Fan.

Don’t jump to conclusions
I respond to Bitter who said staff at Sainsbury’s were rude to youngsters for no apparent reason. I am a department manager for a supermarket and have put out youngsters on occasions then had people have a go at me as they were not aware of the bigger picture.

What they may witness is individuals who have previously caused bother being asked to leave.

I have had a customer scream at me to let a shoplifter go as she had a child with her. This woman was a known thief who would steal from the store almost daily, and was part of a team.

Colleagues at my store have been threatened with a syringe, a knife, been assaulted and threatened with violence.

Youngsters leave taps running in toilets, set fire to litter bins, and pour shampoo on the floor to slide on it.

I need to keep myself, customers and colleagues, property and profits safe.

If, like Bitter, you witness what you consider to be rude staff, speak to a member of management.

Don’t jump to conclusions. — Not Rude.

Don’t tar everyone with same brush
Letter writer “Bitter” complained about service in Sainsbury’s, Dundee. This person has tarred everyone with the same brush.

My son works there and along with most of his colleagues he’s courteous, polite and helpful.

The staff is often faced with rude customers but stay professional. “Bitter” should have reported her bad experience to the customer service team. — Happy Customer.

Pleasure to shop at Sainsbury’s
I was surprised to read the letter from ‘Bitter’ regarding staff at Sainsbury’s. I have always been treated with the utmost courtesy by floor staff and checkout operators. I find it a pleasure to shop there. — Sweetie Pie.
Fish flew all around
The recent letters which mentioned the Mook fishing family were very interesting.

The Mooks also delivered fresh fish to Dundee and other parts of Angus and Perthshire.

The crates of fish were carried by train and offloaded onto hand carts or horses and carts.

One very windy day a carthorse took fright at the top of the Hilltown.

The cart was loaded with fish.

As the terrified horse ran wild, cases of fish flew from the loaded cart.

Christmas had come early that year. Many hard-up folk enjoyed a slap-up fish tea.

After that, if any of us children misbehaved, the joke was that we were “running amook”.

Also, a recent letter mentioned Jock’s Bar in Hong Kong.

The bar was a well-known meeting place for Scottish sailors and soldiers serving abroad during the Second World War and after.

The owner was known as “Dundee Danny”, although he was Chinese. Favourite dishes were served including real Dundee fritters, stovies and mock chops.

Some comedian from Arbroath altered the menu board so that they were re-named Mook chops.

Many of the crew of the famous Royal Navy ships Prince of Wales and HMS Eagle signed the Giant Royal Navy flag which covered one wall.

Lord Mountbatten of Burma was another visitor. — Tony Stoker Robertson, 0196280 HMS Eagle 1939-1946.

Malawi effort
Members of St Leonard’s & St Fergus and St Columba’s Churches are trying to raise £6000 for Scottish International Relief (Mary’s Meals) effort to build a school/kitchen and educate children in Malawi.

They are holding a Coffee Morning, Table Top Sale and the usual stalls in St Leonard & St Fergus Church Hall, St Leonard’s Place (just off Macalpine Road) on Saturday, February 16, 9.30 am to 12.30pm. — George Craib (on behalf of the organising group).

Whitfield buses
When, if ever, are we going to see an improvement in the Whitfield bus route?

There are fewer Travel Dundee buses compared to St Mary’s, Douglas, Fintry and Downfield and they are seldom, if ever, on time.

Why are we always the poor relations? — Lifelong Passenger.

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